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Few notes on seasoning, unless it’s a pan you’re using daily, there’s a chance for animal fats to go off particularly if you haven’t fully polymerized them. Not a problem if it’s a daily driver, but if you only pull it out in winter months or every few months it’s more of an issue.

Past that, there’s some theory but it’s basically just people testing stuff and finding what works. Not a lot of science on seasoning pans sadly.

The general consensus from cast iron restorers and manufacturers that I’ce gathered is animal fats don’t have the right chemical makeup for optimal polymerizing. You want 3 things, a high polyunsaturated fat content, a high polyunsaturated:monounsaturated ratio, and for it to not be a drying oil.

Can animal fats work? Sure, but just about any fat can be used, some folks have even gotten good results with flaxseed even though most find it to be flaky.

Generally, you want a non-drying/semi drying fat, that has a high polyunsaturated fat content and a high polyunsat:monounsat. Saturated fats aren’t great for polymerization since they tend to be less reactive. Happy bonds, sad seasoning.

Bacon fat (and bacon by extension) which you see people tend to recommend is particularly bad, at least in the states because the overwhelming majority of cures here use sugar (gasp). Nothing destroys baby seasoning faster than caramelizing sugars, and I’d include acids in that.

Grape seed, high linoleic sunflower (not the stuff off the shelf) tend to be among the best. Soybean is also supposed to be decent, and crisco is a grandmother classic, while relatively high in saturated fats does have a decent poly:mono ratio.

But again, anything works. Hell, I use avocado since it’s what I tend to cook with and it’s fine, but the pans are used 2-4x a week.

If the pan is gonna be used regularly, it really doesn’t matter. Your initial seasoning isn’t likely to survive contact with the enemy for long, so it’ll be replaced and repaired with whatever you cook with. Get whatever cooking oil you have that isn’t flax, and use it, and then just use the pan.

Also, smoke point doesn’t matter. That’s one of the bigger takeaways from browsing posts by restorers who probably apply more seasoning in a week then I will in a lifetimes. Polymerization isn’t kicked off at the smoke point, it’s just accelerated by increased temp. Similar to how you can brew coffee in your fridge overnight, in a sous vide over a few hours or in dripper in a few minutes based on temp, you can also drop the temp of seasoning considerably. I use mostly avocado, which smokes at somewhere around 450-480? And I season it by putting it on the control freak at 300-325 for 2-3 hours. No smoke generated, my lungs are happier and it’s cheaper than heating up the oven for a shorter duration higher temp

(Oh and if you find it to be flaky, go thinner. You’re generating a thin film which tend to see immense stresses. Going too thick can lead to a loss of flexibility and cracking. Thin You should be wiping oil off at least twice. Once when you are “applying” it (really just applying the faintest trace of oil to the surface) and once when the pan is hot and the pores of the metal have expanded, to make sure the oil gets into the pores and to remove the extra)
 
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Few notes on seasoning, unless it’s a pan you’re using daily, there’s a chance for animal fats to go off particularly if you haven’t fully polymerized them. Not a problem if it’s a daily driver, but if you only pull it out in winter months or every few months it’s more of an issue.

Past that, there’s some theory but it’s basically just people testing stuff and finding what works. Not a lot of science on seasoning pans sadly.

The general consensus from cast iron restorers and manufacturers that I’ce gathered is animal fats don’t have the right chemical makeup for optimal polymerizing. You want 3 things, a high polyunsaturated fat content, a high polyunsaturated:monounsaturated ratio, and for it to not be a drying oil.

Can animal fats work? Sure, but just about any fat can be used, some folks have even gotten good results with flaxseed even though most find it to be flaky.

Generally, you want a non-drying/semi drying fat, that has a high polyunsaturated fat content and a high polyunsat:monounsat. Saturated fats aren’t great for polymerization since they tend to be less reactive. Happy bonds, sad seasoning.

Bacon fat (and bacon by extension) which you see people tend to recommend is particularly bad, at least in the states because the overwhelming majority of cures here use sugar (gasp). Nothing destroys baby seasoning faster than caramelizing sugars, and I’d include acids in that.

Grape seed, high linoleic sunflower (not the stuff off the shelf) tend to be among the best. Soybean is also supposed to be decent, and crisco is a grandmother classic, while relatively high in saturated fats does have a decent poly:mono ratio.

But again, anything works. Hell, I use avocado since it’s what I tend to cook with and it’s fine, but the pans are used 2-4x a week.

If the pan is gonna be used regularly, it really doesn’t matter. Your initial seasoning isn’t likely to survive contact with the enemy for long, so it’ll be replaced and repaired with whatever you cook with. Get whatever cooking oil you have that isn’t flax, and use it, and then just use the pan.

Also, smoke point doesn’t matter. That’s one of the bigger takeaways from browsing posts by restorers who probably apply more seasoning in a week then I will in a lifetimes. Polymerization isn’t kicked off at the smoke point, it’s just accelerated by increased temp. Similar to how you can brew coffee in your fridge overnight, in a sous vide over a few hours or in dripper in a few minutes based on temp, you can also drop the temp of seasoning considerably. I use mostly avocado, which smokes at somewhere around 450-480? And I season it by putting it on the control freak at 300-325 for 2-3 hours. No smoke generated, my lungs are happier and it’s cheaper than heating up the oven for a shorter duration higher temp

(Oh and if you find it to be flaky, go thinner. You’re generating a thin film which tend to see immense stresses. Going too thick can lead to a loss of flexibility and cracking. Thin You should be wiping oil off at least twice. Once when you are “applying” it (really just applying the faintest trace of oil to the surface) and once when the pan is hot and the pores of the metal have expanded, to make sure the oil gets into the pores and to remove the extra)
Conversely, I’ve had my slipperiest pans after taking animal fat past 510 (260°.) Even on metal that is still silvery, like my nickel-clad copper omelet pan.

When I use oils with more polyunsaturates, I get a “gummier” result.

Ever the chemist, I like to believe that the saturated fats take high heat better, and generate species that build a thin slick film on certain surfaces.

On steel and iron, thick greasy varnish seems to take well and work. But on stainless or nickel, a brief and very hot treatment with tallow has stood me in good stead.
 
Next question, how do I season my carbon steel knife for food release without hurting it…

Polymerization is the new patina! Take that, tomatoes!
“Diamondlike coatings.”
Unless you have a vacuum chamber and a carbon plasma source, this one is better outsourced.
 
Food safe lubricant. Teflon. Dremel some speed rectangles into the body of the knife. Switch to a cheese wire.
Speed rectangles are a racket. I cut them into my bike — and now it’s slower.

(tho’ I think that Racing Rectangles would be a worthy subheading under ARM)
 
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Few notes on seasoning, unless it’s a pan you’re using daily, there’s a chance for animal fats to go off particularly if you haven’t fully polymerized them. Not a problem if it’s a daily driver, but if you only pull it out in winter months or every few months it’s more of an issue.

Past that, there’s some theory but it’s basically just people testing stuff and finding what works. Not a lot of science on seasoning pans sadly.

The general consensus from cast iron restorers and manufacturers that I’ce gathered is animal fats don’t have the right chemical makeup for optimal polymerizing. You want 3 things, a high polyunsaturated fat content, a high polyunsaturated:monounsaturated ratio, and for it to not be a drying oil.

Can animal fats work? Sure, but just about any fat can be used, some folks have even gotten good results with flaxseed even though most find it to be flaky.

Generally, you want a non-drying/semi drying fat, that has a high polyunsaturated fat content and a high polyunsat:monounsat. Saturated fats aren’t great for polymerization since they tend to be less reactive. Happy bonds, sad seasoning.

Bacon fat (and bacon by extension) which you see people tend to recommend is particularly bad, at least in the states because the overwhelming majority of cures here use sugar (gasp). Nothing destroys baby seasoning faster than caramelizing sugars, and I’d include acids in that.

Grape seed, high linoleic sunflower (not the stuff off the shelf) tend to be among the best. Soybean is also supposed to be decent, and crisco is a grandmother classic, while relatively high in saturated fats does have a decent poly:mono ratio.

But again, anything works. Hell, I use avocado since it’s what I tend to cook with and it’s fine, but the pans are used 2-4x a week.

If the pan is gonna be used regularly, it really doesn’t matter. Your initial seasoning isn’t likely to survive contact with the enemy for long, so it’ll be replaced and repaired with whatever you cook with. Get whatever cooking oil you have that isn’t flax, and use it, and then just use the pan.

Also, smoke point doesn’t matter. That’s one of the bigger takeaways from browsing posts by restorers who probably apply more seasoning in a week then I will in a lifetimes. Polymerization isn’t kicked off at the smoke point, it’s just accelerated by increased temp. Similar to how you can brew coffee in your fridge overnight, in a sous vide over a few hours or in dripper in a few minutes based on temp, you can also drop the temp of seasoning considerably. I use mostly avocado, which smokes at somewhere around 450-480? And I season it by putting it on the control freak at 300-325 for 2-3 hours. No smoke generated, my lungs are happier and it’s cheaper than heating up the oven for a shorter duration higher temp

(Oh and if you find it to be flaky, go thinner. You’re generating a thin film which tend to see immense stresses. Going too thick can lead to a loss of flexibility and cracking. Thin You should be wiping oil off at least twice. Once when you are “applying” it (really just applying the faintest trace of oil to the surface) and once when the pan is hot and the pores of the metal have expanded, to make sure the oil gets into the pores and to remove the extra)
Yeah this also aligns with what I dug up in my research (though I'm certainly no chemist and don't think I could have managed such an elaborate writeup).

My lay persons interpretation is: seasoning layer is basically a nice polymerized carpet consisting of linked up fat molecules. To achieve this you need molecules that actually can link up. Basically the distinction is that saturated oils already have oxygens on all their parking spots, mono-unsaturated oils have one parking spot for oxygen where they can link up, and polyunsaturated oils have multiple open slots, and are therefore best.

The whole function of heat to season pans is to just press the speed button on the reaction time. You could theoretically achieve a similar effect by just putting on the oil and leaving it for a while. Think of how leaving fat anywhere ends up with it eventually going gummy...yep that's polymerization happening. So yeah, no need to go balls to the wall with the heat.

So yeah saturated oils are bad because they're not really all that good for polymerization. Which... is also why they're more stable at heat, and tend to perform well for long-term heating (contrary to many of the 'healthier' seed oils that suffer more from reaction and degradation).

Grapeseed has been my go to, but that's also out of convenience: it's the same oil I use for my cutting boards and has become my all-round 'maintenance oil'.

I agree that it's better to think of your seasoning layer as a 'repairable re-applicable non-stick' than as some kind of 'bomb-proof thing that has to last until eternity.

As to the issue of flakiness; this does seem to be an issue mostly coming up with flaxseed oil. I don't know why but it seems to be more prone to it. Although admittedly my first seasoning on my pans with flaxseed was bombproof.... there's enough people struggling with it that there might be some fire to this smoke. Maybe we should call it flakeseed oil. ;)
 
Did initial stovetop seasoning. (Thin coat of oil! So thin you can’t see it! Wipe it dry!)

Then I Just Cooked With It. (Cabbage okonomiyaki with chickpea batter.)

Entertainingly, the sides of the pan now have splotches of what looks like Very Good Seasoning. I wish it looked like this all over! Slick and glassy to the touch.

The base of the pan is still what they might call “ritually seasoned”, similar to “ritually clean.”

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Small MTC haul. Some awesome fishbone tweezers, nice garnish tweezers, some spare yakumi pans, and some clearance okonomiyaki turners just because. Run, don’t walk, to get yourself some of these tweezies. They're the bees knees.

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Standard JB Prince cooking forceps provided for scale. The MTC "Chef Tongs" are definitely more for fine work and garnishes. A great length and design.

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the instructions on those fishbone tweezer look like they're being used for hulling strawberries, peeling an orange, and doing something else with garlic?

Yeah the original design was said to mimic the shape and strength of using your own fingers and nails to grasp things. They're built like a high quality pair of tongs, but they're able to grasp very tightly and very nimbly. You'll likely find a lot of unexpected uses for them.
 
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I’d wager it’s made for Victorinox by Mora at their Frosts plant. The handle on mine looks identical and quite different to the other victorinox butchering knife handles. Good boner nonetheless
 
Upped my spreader game. I should have been more careful with the sandpaper, but still happy enough. I posted some additional pics and info here in 'Historical Finds', and if anyone knows anything about this like where or when it's from or what its main use was I'm all ears (not sure if it was for butter, soft cheese, or what):
https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/vintage-butter-knife-spreader.75404/
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I’ve been beating on this ancient Dutchie hard. It’s my bread vessel. It’s super smooth on the inside. Like my enamel version.

My 95 year old neighbor wanted me to have it.

She says it’s as old as she is. Haha. ( time to clean my stovetop!)

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Bring your neighbor a loaf. I like her.
 
Wake, have a shower and check my email. Hmm. The Zwilling in person warehouse sale starts in 30 minutes and realize I can make it there just as it opens. Last day on the second weekend. Figure the line up shouldn't be too bad. Ten minute wait to get in.

Oops.

11" Industry 3 wok
11" industry 3 frypan
2 qt Joy saucepan
Miyabi Black paring knife (got some crazy nice figure in the handle)
And an eyelash curler for the wife.
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